B.O.B. --"The "Best of Banat"
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 01:15:14 EST
Subject: Families from Zichydorf
From the book "Geschichte der Gemeinde Zichydorf" by Johannes Achtzehner, we learn of the the village Zichydorf established in 1788.
Surnames in the colony included: Achtzehner, Amon, Baehr, Bergl, Bertram, Broos, Butto, Busch, Debert, Donauer, Engel, Engler, Fellinger, Fischer, Fleischhacker, Frass, Froh, Gradentaler, Graf, Hamus, Hasenfratz, Heinermann, Henz, Hochbein, Huepfl, Jasper, Jung, Keiner, Kiefer, Knapp, Kuehborn, Lehnard, Maly, Mayer, Mueller, Niedermayer, Niessner, Noll, Oberle, Parmansche, Payer, Peter, Piller, Pold, Portscheller, Reiter, Rieger, Rist, Rosslein, Scheirich, Schneitnass, Schleicher, Schneider, Schoenherr, Schummer, Schwarz, Singer, Spies, Steinbrueckner, Storch, Tuerk, Ulrich, Volgen, Wachsler, Wagner, Wambach, Wingert, Wiest, Zeier, and Zopf.
And of course there were more families during the 19th century.
The village was renamed Zichyfalva in 1876 and then Mariolana in 1918. Many decendants of the original families still lived in this village in December 1944. My grandmother Ortmann lived in this village but her family was from some other town in the Banat. My specific interest is in Rist, Ortmann, Lang, Jung, Mayer, and Botwin.
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 16:31:06 EST
Subject: The other Zichydorf surnames
The following additional surnames were colonists in Zichydorf but either emigrated or left no decendants.
Abesk, Angerer, Aschenbrenner, Auer, Bestalter, Blahovsky, Bozom, Csessnek, Davidis, Eisenmann, Erhard, Erntner, Falkner, Feldmann, Feichttaler, Filler, Fleischl, Flucher, Frank, Fritz, Gattan, Gaertner, Gerner, Gruber, Glaser, Gyarmati, Gyoen, Hadler, Harbauer, Harteier, Haschka, Haslinger, Hasselik, Haerte, Hilbert, Hirsch, Hochreiter, Hock, Hoff, Holzeis
(Holzheiss), Jaeger, Kessler, Kielin, Klamin, Klody, Kobess, Kollmann, Koll, Kovacs, Krause, Kraemer, Lackhaus, Lackner, Leutner, Lohr, Loth, Mais, Mauer, Molling, Montangoll, Morell, Moeschele, Muntschler, Muecke, Muehlbauer, Nothof, Oroz, Palmer, Pauer, Paumert, Peist, Pindl, Pinter, Pfann, Potsch, Prenk, Prischler, Purger, Reiser, Rheinlaender, Rieder, Romerlein, Spruck, Stettner, Sterb, Strohmayer, Stumpf, Till, Toell, Travnik, Treupfel, Velicsan, Viome, Wacker, Weidele, Willmut, Windischer, and Zeffler.
This is again from the research of Johann Actzehner.
Now, how can I get surname lists from the other villages in the Banat?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:04:36 -0700
Subject: Madler Family Crest
Forgive me please, for my having my "moment". Just received this translation from a member of Arthur's team. But any typos in the German text are all mine :-(. Research does have it's unanticipated excitement. When nothing is discovered after years of toil, it is so easy to give up. Perhaps this will give some of you new hope.
The sad thing here is that this family once had family chronicles dating back to the 12th century! They were entrusted to the care of Otto Madler, who I am just now in contact with. An American soldier forced entry into his home and walked away with the entire file in 1945! Would he have then just thrown it away? Might it yet be in some army file? I fear we never will know.
Copied from Dr. Madler's family comments of 1861
Miltenberg, 4th April 1861
Abschrift aus Familien-Bemerkungen von Dr. Madler 1861.
According to the oldest heraldry book at Saint Ana in Vienna the Madlers lived on the Rhine. At the beginning of the 13th century they moved to the district around Landshut, brought vines from the Rheingau, planted vineyards and improved the wine industry. Joseph Madler in particular did great things.
Nach dem altesten Wappenbuch bei Sankt Ana in Wien wohnten die Madler am Rhein. Zu Anfang des dreizehnten jahrhunderts wanderten sie in die Gegand um Landshut, brachten Reben aus dem Rheingau, pflanzten Wein-berge, hoben und verbesserten den Weinbau. Besonders war es Joseph Madler welcher sich hier im besonderen Verdienste erwarb.
Duke Henry of Bayern therefore took him under his wing, knighted him in 1256 and gave him the following arms. On the lower red field of the shield a hill with a pelican with wings spread, as a symbol of love and faithfulness. It opens its own breast with its beak to feed its young on the blood. In the two upper white fields two red grapes, to show the service Madler had done for the wine industry. Above the shield a helmet with the visor closed, and the symbols of knighthood - a golden chain and cross. A little man stands on the helmet with a red grape in his left hand to symbolise Madler's achievements. This is what the heraldry books in the national library and national archive in München have to say.
Herzog Heinrich in Bayern nahm ihn daher in sein Geflog, ertheilte ihm 1256 den Ritterschlag und verlieh ihm folgendes Wappen.Auf dem untern rothen Felde des Wappenschilds auf wie_em H|gel ein Pelikan mit ausgebreiteten Fl|geln. Als Symbol Liebe und Treue. Er offnet sich mit dem Schnabel die Brust?e mit dem Ausfluss seine Jungen zu fuettern. In den oberen beiden weissen Feldern zwei rothe Trauben, die Verdienste bezeichnend welche sich die Madler um den Weinbau erworben. Auf dem Schild einen Helm mit geschlossenem Visihr und den Insignien der Ritterschaft = goldner Kette und Kreuz. Auf dem Helm steht ein Mdnnchen mit einem rothen Trauben in linker Hand den Madler gezeichnet welcher sich hierin vorz|gliche Verdienste erworben. Soweit die Nachrichten aus den Wappenb|chern der Staats-Bibliothek und Staataarchiv in München.
Liebmacher, an engraver in Nürnberg, printed his first 2 heraldry books in 1609, and further volumes in the following years. In 1657 they appeared in print at the artdealers by Fürst, and the coat of arms is printed at the beginning and end and also on page 55 of the 5th book.
Liebmacher - Kapferstecher in N|rnberg hat 1609 seine beiden ersten Wappenbuecher in Druck gegeben, und in den folgenden Jahren fortgesetzt, 1657 erschienen sie in der Kunsthandlung bei F|rst in Druck und ist das Wappen in Anfang und Zusatz zum 5 ten Buch Seite 55 ebenfalls abge-druckt.
Madlers have lived in Miltenberg since 1420, but since the baptism and death records begin in 1580 it is only from that time that the descendents were regularly written down. The present city architect (Stadtbaumeister) Madler in Bamburg, the city architect Madler in Gegensburg and the Cafe-owner Madler in Muenchen are descended from this line, they are all brothers in the same family. Also the court singer (female) Madler in Darmstadt belongs to this family. I intend to work out the relationships to the Madlers who live near Landshut.
Miltenberg, the 4th of April, 1861 Dr. Madler
Seit 1420 wohnen Madler in Miltenberg, da aber die Tauf- und Sterberegister erst mit 1580 dahier anfangen so sind die Nachkommen nur von dieser Zeit regelmd_ig aufgezeichnet.Von der hiesigen Linie stammt der jetzige Stadtbaumeister Madler in Bamberg, Stadtbaumeister Madler in Gegensburg und Cafetier Madler in M|nchen, und sind Br|der aus einer Familie. Auch stammt aus der hiesigen Familie die Hofsdngerin Madler in Darmstadt. Die Stammverheltnisse der bei Landshut lebenden Madler werde ich noch erheben.
Miltenberg den 4 ten April 1861.
Bob Madler...If it works it's obsolete :-)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:33:49 (CDT)
From: "Michael D. Stamm" email@example.com
Subject: Re: Nuber Family History
Also had similar good fortune. A Dr. Axel Nuber of Swabische / Gmund had compiled an extensive Nuber family history that hinted of a thorough genealogy, printed/self-published in 1947. He had to reconstruct much after having to leave the records in Rostock when the Russians were advancing (wish he had left them at his family home for the war).
Anyway, this takes the Nubers back into the 1200's through WWII. Again, a measure of hope.
Have sent a copy to Rick Heli (also has Nubers in lineage). However, there is no current telephone listing for an Axel Nuber in Swabische / Gmund, and no mention of his children (if any) in his book.
He is probably deceased, having done university-level studies in the 1930's. However, it is likely that he passed the genealogical data on, but to who? Any ideas on how to trace his descendants/relatives? Anyone know of a Nuber reunion association between Stuttgart and Lake Constance?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:52:27
Subject: Setschan Death List
The following surnames are taken from the Setschan death list. The criteria to be on this list is that the person was a resident of Setschan during the war and either: died as a soldier, or died in one of the concentration camps controlled by the Serbs, or was shipped to Russia and died in a Russian concentration/mining camp. The majority died in a Serbian concentration camp.
I scanned the surnames of interest from our membership and matched up these names. If anyone feels that there is a possibility that you may have had a relative in Setschan at that time and want further information, let me know. I can give you some full names (if you do not have one in particular), house number, age, date of death, and place of death.
MÜLLER (MUELLER )
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:37:03 -0400
Subject: About Setschan Death List
The list was given to me several years ago by friends from Germany (originally Setschan) who visited my cousins and me. They were told by my cousins that I am interested in this.
The Setschan list was compiled in 1984, and put into a booklet form by a man named Peter Grassl; who was also the editor of the "Setschaner Rundbrief", until he retired. Which brings up a related subject, i.e., the "Setschaner Rundbrief". This is a newsletter published by surviving historians of Setschan, sent to the survivors and their ancestors (if they wish to receive it).
With this said, I feel that there are probably other newsletters out there from the respective villages of the Banat. I am sure that some of you would be interested in receiving those newsletters of your interest. Unfortunately, I do not know of any off hand, but I will post them if I learn of any. This seems like a worth while project for all of us to keep our ears and eyes open for.
Date: Mon, 6 May 96 04:38:33 UT
From: "Ronald R Gretz" Ronald_Gretz@msn.com
Subject: Interesting Discovery
It seems that Lisa Spindler has an ancestor (Christian Gauder b Apr 4 1778) who was a brother to an ancestor of mine (Johann Georg Gauder b Jan 19 1766), both from Kernyaja, and sons of Georg Gauder/Elisabeth Schmelzer. It's amazing how this newsgroup has connected two distant cousins with the same hobby. Knowing how genealogists are, I thought it'd be neat to share this with the group.
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:57:53 PST
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Dennis J. Bauer)
Subject: Bucks County PA
I have complete copies of the 1937 & 1942 Kalenders and sections of the 1936 & 1941 (for the listing of subscribers from the Bucks County, PA and Trenton, NJ areas). They were my great grandfather's. Below find a copy of an article I wrote about the Kalendar for the Bucks County Genealogical Society:
The Bucks County Donau Schwabs
I came across several 1936-1942 yearly issues of the Deutsch-Ungarischer Familien Kalender while my family was sorting things out after my paternal grandmother, Theresa Bauer nee Helleis died in 1991. The magazines, written in German, were published in the U.S. They contained stories from the German-Hungarian regions of Hungary, Yugoslavia and Romania, pictures of "home", jokes, poems and best of all a list of American and Canadian subscribers, their spouses, their place of origin and their present addresses in the U.S. Subscribers listed were from the following states; IL, MD, MI, MO, NJ, NY, OH, PA, WI and Canada.
I discovered that my Bucks County paternal grandparents, Jacob and Theresa Bauer, who were born in the Batschka Region of Austria-Hungary (now Serbia -- Yugoslavia), were listed in the Kalenders. In addition, both their parents were also listed. I later found out that in the 1920s these German-Hungarians would also be known as Donau Schwabs or in English, Danube Swabs. I'm sure this magazine maybe a small untapped resource for those researching their German--Hungarian or Donau Schwab ancestors. Therefore, I though it would be appropriate to list those Bucks County subscribers in our newsletter, along with a brief history of these ethnic Germans. I hope some member(s) will benefit from this list.
These German pioneers and ex-soldiers originally came from Alsace, Lorraine, Palantine, Bavaria, Baden and Swabia and settled in the valleys along the Danube River in and around Lower Hungary during the eighteenth century. The first settlers were Roman Catholics encouraged to settle the region by Count Mercy of Lorraine (1722-27) and then by Hungarian Empress Maria Theresia (1763-73). Then under Hungarian Emperor Josef, a third wave of Catholics and Protestants came to the region (1782-87). These Germans settled the new Hungarian frontier and serve as a buffer against the Ottoman Turks. The Turks, who had previously invaded and occupied the area, had been driven out earlier in the 18th century.
The areas settled included Banat, Batschka, Branja, Srem and Swabische Turkey. The towns populated by these immigrants included; Apatin, Batsch, Palanka, Hodschag, Batsch Sentiwan, Gajdobra, Obrowatz, Bukin, Weprowatz, Sombor, Neudorf, Temeschburg, Neusatz and others.
These new settlers drained the swamps and setup German farming communities which became one of the richest agricultural basins in Europe. Their farm goods were exported all over Europe. In 1867 the region was incorporated into the newly formed Dual-Monarchy of Austro-Hungary. Civil War and mandatory military service caused many to immigrate to the U.S, Canada and Australia. More immigrated prior to impending World War I.
After World War I the region, containing over 2 million Germans, was divided between Hungary, Rumania and the newly established country of Yugoslavia. It was at this time that the word "Donau Schwabs" or "Danube Swabs", in English, was coined to describe these ethnic German Hungarians. Many were subsequently conscripted into the German Army when Hitler's Army invaded the region during World War II.
After World War II close to 2 million Donau Schwabs were disowned and expelled from their homes and country when the Communists took control of the Eastern Bloc countries of Hungary, Rumania and Yugoslavia. The Donau Schwabs became the scapegoats for the German Occupation during World War II, especially in Yugoslavia under Josip Broz, aka Tito. Those who stayed were sent to concentration camps in the region or worse in Siberia, Russia between 1945 and 1948. Over 128,634 ethnic Germans died during this genocide. Most of those were from Yugoslavia. This also led to about 50,000 immigrating to the U.S., Canada, Australia and Brazil during the late 1940s and early 1950s after the camps were finally closed.
The Delaware Valley, including Bucks County, Trenton and Philadelphia has a fairly large number of individuals who can trace their roots to the Donau Schwabian region. Many of these immigrants became Bucks County farmers and merchants. There are three local Donau Schwabian clubs presently in our area; the Vereinigung der Donauschwaben in Philadelphia, PA, the Vereinigung der Donauschwaben in Trenton, NJ and the United German Hungarians in Oakford, Bucks County, PA.
A gleaning of the 1936-42 issues of the annual Deutsch-Ungarischer Familien Kalender (German-Hungarian Family Calendar) magazine reveals the following Bucks County subscribers. The list includes name, spouse, nameplace of origin and Bucks County address. This list by no means represents all the Danube Swabs in Bucks County during this period of time.
A List of the Bucks County Donau Schwabs from 1936-42
FACHET, Josef & Sadwina KAUFOLD from Konigsau.
HUPFUL, Frank from Temes Schag & Eva NOTHOF from Lowrin, Banat Rumania.
KASZNELL, Adolf from Kissoda & Katharina LAUB from Sandorhaza, Banat Rumania.
MOUYAT, Michael from Nagy Kikinda & Barbara BACHS from Hatzfeld, Banat Rumania.
REITER, Nikolaus from Gross St. Nikolaus & Margaretha JAKOBI from Perjamosch, Banat Rumania.
SCHAEFFER, Anton from Racz St. Peter & Barbara KIHM from Klein Becskerek, Banat Rumania.
SCHEUERMANN, Jakob & Anna HENSEL from Deutsch St. Peter, Banat Rumania.
ADAM, widow of, Magdalena nee GIESHLAR from Palanka, Batschka Jugoslavia / Yugoslavia - 68 Delaware Ave.
AMS, Josef from Paripas & Katharina PILLER from Filipova, Batschka Jugoslavia - 49 Dieter Ave.
BAUER, Christian & Anna BOHNERT from Palanka, Batschka Jugoslavia, RFD#1.
HELLEIS, Lorenz from Bacs (Batsch) & Barbara BLANK from Plavna, Batschka Jugoslavia - RFD#1.
HELLMANN, John Josef from Joseffalva, Banat Rumania & Katharina LOCH from Perlasz, Banat Jugoslavia - RFD#1.
KLEINFELDER, Johann from Rudolfsgnad, Banat Jugoslavia & Anna METZGER from Warjasch, Banat Rumania - 312 PA. Ave.
KUHN, Josef & Eva WALTER from Paripas, Batschka Jugoslavia - RFD#1.
LEH, Johann & Agatha BRAMBERGER from Filipova, Batschka Jugoslavia - 108 Coleman St.
MATTES, Katherine, nee FLESCH from Paripas, Batschka Jugoslavia - 18 Monroe St.
RECH, Josef from Zsigmondfalva, Banat Jugoslavia. & Nanci METZGER from Warjasch, Banat Rumania - 434 S. PA. Ave.
SCHANNEN, Adam from Opova, Banat Jugoslavia & Theresia KORANG from Deliblat, Banat Rumania - 86 Centre Ave.
STOSS, Nikolaus from Segenthau, Banat Rumania & Anna PIFFATH from
Palanka, Batschka Jugoslavia - RFD#1.
Other Bucks County Locations
BAUER, Jacob from Palanka, Batschka & Theresia HELLEIS from Bacs (Batsch), Batschka Jugoslavia - Fallsington.
EHLING, widow of, Katharina HOLLENBACH from Racz St. Peter, Banat Rumania. - Fallsington.
ENGEL, Mathias from Hodschag, Batschka Jugoslavia & Barbara ACHS from Johannesfeld, Banat Rumania - Hilltown.
GARTMAYER, Julius & Anna WEBER from St. Andreas, Banat Rumania - Trevose Hgts.
GESSNER, Adam & Mary KARL - Box 133, Upper Black Eddy.
GOETLER, Nikolaus from Grabatz & Susanna KRATOCHWILL from Bogarosch, Banat Rumania - Fountainville.
HAAS, Franz from Torschau, Batschka Jugoslavia - P.O. Box 54, Doylestown.
IRION, Rudolf & Elisabetha WUERTZ from Lugos, Banat Rumania - Dublin Park, Doylestown.
MAYERSFELD, Camillo from Szabatka, Batschka Jugoslavia & Eva KOLLING from Perjamosch, Banat Rumania - Perkasie.
MOYSE, Mathias & Rosi from Szecsanyfalva, Banat Rumania - Chalfont.
PISCHL, Josef from Starevo & Maria SOMMER from Veliskovci, Slavia - RD#1, Bristol.
SCHAEFFER, John from Racz St. Peter & Margaretha HEINRICH from Knez, Banat Rumania - Erwinna.
SCHMAL, Stefan from Bakova & Josefine STRIEFLER from Bad Busziasch, Banat Rumania - 117 W. Broad St., Telford.
STRANZINGER, Leopold from Guttenbrunn & Anna GELZ from Lipa - RD#1, Upper Black Eddy.
TAUGNER, Nikolaus from Alexanderhausen, Banat Rumania & Maria KALACSAN from Mastorf, Banat Jugoslavia - Mill St., Bristol.
Deutsch-Ungarischer Familien Kalender, Schwabische Verlagsanstalt, Chicago, IL, Issue 1936.
Deutsch-Ungarischer Familien Kalender, German-Hungarian Publishing Co., Chicago, IL, Issue 1937.
Deutsch-Ungarischer Familien Kalender, National Weeklies, Inc., Winona, MN, Issues 1941 & 1942.
German Genealogical Digest, Volume 8, No. 1, 1st Quarter 1992, "Austro-Hungary and the German Settlers called Danube Swabians", Wendelin Michels, Pleasant Grove, UT.
The United German Hungarians informational handout of 1992, Oakford, PA.
Wir Donauschwaben, Volume 6, No. 3, November 1993, Newsletter of the Danube Swabian, Assn., Trenton, NJ.
Additional Danube Swabian references and research can be found in records ordered at the Latter Day Saints' Family History Center here in Doylestown, PA. These include church records and Ortssippenbuchs for these German-Hungarian towns of the former Austria-Hungary.
Published in the Bucks County Genealogical Newsletter by Dennis J. Bauer, Vol.XV, No. 1, Fall 1995, Number 57, P.O. Box 1092, Doylestown, PA 18901.
From: email@example.com (Dennis J. Bauer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:05:46 PST
Subject: Guth/Gutt Newsletter
Some of our Banat/Batschka group may have GUTH / GUT / GUTT ancestors as I have. I just came across a new newsgroup dedicated to this surname. Contact Leon Mertensotto at the following email address and ask to be put on his email-newletter: Leon.J.Mertensotto.firstname.lastname@example.org I just got his first newsletter and researcher list. Pretty interesting.